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Guantanamo Bay flight records from 7:26am 12/18/17 thru 9:33am 12/28/17 via @flightaware. Something is happening.


Let me explain a few things about how flights to and from GTMO work. I believe you all have a picture of things in your heads that is based upon that of a “regular airport schedule” which could not possibly be more off the mark. GTMO is different than even most military installations when it comes to travel. There are only two ways on or off the base, by air or by boat. There is no other way to access the base. When I say boat, I am not talking about a regular sized boat, since the distance from Miami to GTMO is around 500 miles. You can’t just travel that distance in a normal sized boat. The base is completely closed off from Cuba proper, Castro has their fence and mine fields, we have our fence and mine fields, and aside from the North East gate where we repatriate defectors from Cuba, there is absolutely zero access to Cuba proper.
Now looking at the Schedual pictured, there are several things you must consider. Being that GTMO is a Navy/Marine base, this time of year they have what is called “sleigh rides”, sleigh rides are flights for those living on the base, both contractors and military personnel to get off the island for the holidays. Now because EVERYONE can’t go on leave at the same time there are two sets of sleigh rides, and because not everyone wants to go home to the same parts of the country, typically there are sleigh rides that land in the U.S. and take off to return residents to the island after leave from 3-4 different points within the U.S. What this looks like is, the first leave period goes from say 12/17 to 12/27 and the second from 12/27 to 1/7 or something similar. So on those days you will see multiple flights landing at the base and taking off. This is NOT typical. It happens only at Christmas.
You can not just leave GTMO when ever you want. They don’t have daily flights. There is one very short landing strip and zero storage area for planes, so what comes in MUST go out.
What this looks like is, on Sundays there is a medivac flight to Langley/Andrews in the D.C. area, there used to be one flt. Per week to Peurto RICO but i’d Think those have stopped since the hurricane. On Tuesdays and Fridays there are contracted passenger flights originating from Norfolk VA and/or Jacksonville FL. Those are the ones carrying people to and from the states. All of the above flights are military in nature.
There is a puddle jumper airline on the base that can be used by civilians, it used to be Sunshine airlines, but that name could have changed. Those flights leave from Ft. Lauderdale and Miami. When I say puddle jumper, I mean they seat like 10-12 people, and are prop job planes. Civilians can’t fly on military air craft, so if Grandma wants to visit for Christmas, she must take the puddle jumper flight after being cleared and approved by the base commander and having an extensive background check for security reasons.
Now all of that having been said, go back and re-examine the picture above. Which flights could be sleigh rides? Which ones are normal scheduled passenger flights? Which ones are medivac flights? And which are the puddle jumpers. Cross all of those off the list, as they are normal flights. Then look at what is left. Military flights to GTMO typically leave and return to JAX or Norfolk. My point is, what looks unusual to you, may be just normal air traffic to the base for the day and time of year.
[–]PassionatePachyderms 30 points  
I don’t see anything in this that is unusual or abnormal in nature aside from the Dulles flight which we all know was the general and his enterage traveling from D.C. the others appear to be either sleigh rides or normal traffic coming and going from normal locations. As I mentioned, all flights that come in, must go out within two or three hours of landing, typically less than that. They are there long enough to offload and load and poof they are gone. Having been given this information, you can now figure out whether a flight is typical or out of the ordinary. The one thing you do not see, and likely will never see are any flights arriving or taking off and going to places like Canada, or NYC, or LAX. Due to the uniqueness of the security and the very complicated and difficult to navigate topography of the base and difficult in landing there, only very experienced pilots can land or take off from GTMO, so you won’t see any large civilian planes not contracted by the military going there.
[–]srayzie 17 points  
Thank you! You’re awesome. That’s bad news because I was hoping they were being taken to Gitmo. But, thankful that you help us know what’s really going on!
[–]SeekTruthCJoy 14 points  
Also UNDERSTAND/COMPREHEND: even regular routine flights heading in... can be holding people for incarceration at DeltaCamp. After all--you would not want to draw attention out of ordinary traffic, so Christmas time of extra Sleighs would be perfect cover. QUESTION: Some flights visualized real time movements online had escorts of another plane heading into GTMO... is THAT normal for sleigh ride flights?
[–]srayzie 13 points  
I made an image explaining everything you said so that others can share it easily...
[–]flyrothsfly 8 points  
I didn't see it for myself, the guys tracking these flights said there were multiple planes with what appeared to be escorts flying alongside. That doesn't sound like military leave. According to your evaluation, the flight logs don't match what the baker observed.
[–]Mrs_Fonebone 1 point  
And no one is assuming they're shifting dozens of people to GITMO--it may be one or two or three. Perfect camouflage, sleigh rides.
[–]SuzyAZ 1 point  
Are these planes usually blocked?
[–]WINSETTE 1 point  
I read that many of these blocked flights had plane escorts. Same altitude. Would not be normal?
[–]astralboy0 10 points  
Thanks for the insight! Sounds like you've got quite a bit of knowledge on the subject.
[–]Admiral-Freedom 7 points  
What this looks like is, the first leave period goes from say 12/17 to 12/27
Aha, aha ha, thanks for those dates ;)
Quite the coincidence
[–]tiregeek 2 points  
nothing is a coincidence. ;) it would be quite smart to send MS-13 prisoners to GITMO on those incoming flights, wouldn't it?
[–]Ryanhdd 7 points  
I second this as I lived in gitmo myself. Was actually one of the young dependents evacuated in the 90’s during Clinton’s time in office. Found out two days before I had to leave with two bags leaving my father there. It was a sad time for my mom and brother. But I know all the men had a ball those couple years all the wife’s left.
[–]Sandbargirl 7 points  
Great post. Could also compare to last year's flight records.
[–]PassionatePachyderms 2 points  
Best idea I’ve seen yet! Well done!
[–]Sandbargirl 1 point  
Thank you!!!
Seems practical!
[–]SuperFreakMe 6 points  
I need to start posting what I'm thinking and get more involved, lol. This is the 3rd time I've seen a logical answer that crossed my mind and I never said a word. I was thinking about the soldiers who may be taking leave for Christmas, when all the clamor came up about flights to GTMO. Wishful thinking for sure, though. Thanks to the OP for this explanation! God bless.
[–]cdwill 9 points  
the first leave period goes from say 12/17 to 12/27
In other words, “the clock starts” on 12/17 (like Q said)?
Weird that this was downvoted as it was all true.
[–]Mrs_Fonebone 3 points  
That's the day Atlanta went dark, which Q predicted on 12/7, saying darkness in 10 days!
[–]HairyTacoFanatic 1 point  
Can you link me that? I totally missed it.
[–]Mrs_Fonebone 1 point  
It was referenced here several times--I scrolled through the Book of Q in the sidebar and found a reference on page 119 where someone asks when the 10 days, darkness will be and he says 10 days. Just open that file and go to that page. I don't have it at hand by itself, but it would be in my posts--I'll check there.
[–]HairyTacoFanatic 1 point  
Thank you so much. I just subscribed to this place the other day and after the massive shilling and complicit mods ofr/conspiracy have become rampant.
[–]Mrs_Fonebone 1 point  
It was also in Tracy Beanz videos--do you follow her on YouTube? She goes through ALL the vids and additional research.
I think the link is also in the sidebar.
Welcome! No agendas here but finding the truth!
[–]verifiedmadness 1 point  
I would guess that majority of people completely ignore anything linking to youtube.
[–]Mrs_Fonebone 2 points  
Including Tracybeanz? The researcher and founder of this sub/r? I'm going to disagree with that. If they don't bother, they're either going over ground that's already been dug or missing out on additional info.
[–]verifiedmadness 1 point  
Yeah I've never clicked a youtube link and never will. No desire to watch videos on my computer.
[–]Moonlitepath17 2 points  
That's a great day for the clock to start considering it's my Birthday! 12/17! That would be an awesome birthday gift!
[–]GodsAngell 4 points  
I copied the above and put into an Excel spreadsheet to analyze. Found some unusual items. I don't see how to post an excel or pdf here, so I will just try to describe it to you.
I found the puddle jumper flights that dropped off and picked up and was only on the ground for about a half hour or 45 minutes.
However if you notice there were a few flights that Departed from Ft. Lauderdale EXECUTIVE airport, not the International airport, all small planes, Learjet 35 (6 passengers). The first flight was on 12/21, when Mattis was supposed to be there. That particular flight was on the ground for 1.27 hours, and when it left, it did NOT go back to Ft Laud Exec airport, it flew directly to Dulles: Tail No. BLK4. I'm guessing that was Gen'l Mattis.
THE SAME DAY, 12/21/2017, but long after Mattis left (at 12:30pm), ANOTHER Flight left from Ft Lauderdale EXECUTIVE airport, arriving at GITMO 18:20 (6:20pm). That plane (BLK5, Learjet 35, only carries 6 passengers) was on the ground at GITMO for 2 hours and 43 minutes. WHO WAS ON THIS FLIGHT from the private Executive airport? High profile inmates being brought to GITMO?
The same day, 12/21, there is a normal puddle jumper flight in and out of Ft Lauderdale Int'l airport (E145 seats 54 passengers).
The next day, 12/22/2017, we KNOW AG Jeff Sessions and his assistant visited GITMO. I think I found his flight (tail#ATN301) departing from Norfolk, VA, was on the ground at GITMO for 3.5 hrs, then flew back to Norfolk. LONG TIME TO BE ON THE GROUND AT GITMO, but this was a Boeing 763, which seats 180 passengers. So probably some troops and I am assuming that Jeff Sessions was on that plane.....and whomever was with him (inmates?, Troops?)
SAME DAY 12/22/2017, another flight on the ground a long time, departed from Jacksonville to GITMO, on the ground for 2.5 hours, then plane returns to Jacksonville (Tail# BSK293, a Boeing 738 which can seat 220 passengers ). This must be a "Christmas Sleigh" flight, although they were on the ground a pretty long time at GITMO for 2.5 hours. Its only a 2 hour flight between JAX and GITMO, so the crew didn't need a break. So troops and processing inmates? Or just troops?
Anyone know if these long layover times are normal for these Christmas Sleighs to/from Norfolk and JAX?
Then on Dec 26, (Tail# BLK4, a Learjet 35, seats 6 passengers) another flight comes and goes to GITMO from Ft Lauderdale EXECUTIVE airport. High profile inmates? The "bushes", maybe??
The same day, 12/26 there is a normal puddle jumper flight in and out of Ft Lauderdale Int'l airport (Learjet 45 seats 10).
SO...WHOSE ON THESE LEARJET 35s that fly in and out of Ft. Lauderdale EXECUTIVE airport, on small planes that only seat 6 people? Why can't they use the normal puddle jumper the same day from the Int'l Airport? Is it because they are "high profile" INMATES that they don't want them to be seen by the public???
If they aren't High Profile INMATES, then who are on these planes?
I also posted separately today, on this website, that AZ National Guard is sending troops to GITMO for a 9 month STAY. Prison Population going up at GITMO? The Marines need help with their psychopathic inmates?
Well we can HOPE.
[–]RedpillTheWorld 3 points  
I wouldn't expect to see these Top Secret flights on a typical flight log... if the pilots are told to block the call signals, I'm guessing the flight records dept would be told to put these flights on a "Top Secret" flight log. Especially during the operation, as much as we all want to know what's up.
[–]DropGun 2 points  
Great post, great comment, obviously some insider knowledge. HOWEVER, these are extraordinary times. I am Canadian. I remember the people of Gander, NFLD, who hosted MASSIVE amounts of aircraft that were ordered down there at Gander. At worst, that airport handles maybe one or two diversions (be it security or medical, etc), on a bad day, max. But, during 9/11, it handled perhaps up to 75 aircraft.
I'm 100% not disagreeing with you, but, ***IF*** what many of us think is happening is actually happening, then, for this airport you mention, this is most definitely an event on par with 9/11, and, the folks on the ground there can, will, and most definitely are equipped to get very, very creative.
Also, a lot of the aircraft on the way there have been Cessna executive jet-level aircraft, which might be able to quickly refuel and turn around. And, with that said, from one of the "planefags" on Twitter, we saw a 767 climbing out from Gitmo, as well. Tell me, since you are obviously very knowledgeable, is that also possible? Can this runway handle the weight and takeoff/landing distance of a 767?
Many thanks
[–]PassionatePachyderms 3 points  
I wish I could figure out how to post the pictures I have of the air strip at GTMO, ya’all would immediately understand once you see it. The strip is EXTREMELY short, you go too long, you end up in the ocean, and typically by the time you stop on landing, you are less than 30-40 feet from that point. I don’t see any possible way a plane the size of a 767 could land with that short a runway, but even IF it were possible, which I don’t believe it is, I don’t see any way a plane that large could possibly make the maneuvers needed to even line up with the strip. You literally have to fly sideways to avoid Cuba airspace and the mountain range, then line up perfectly, land at exactly the right speed, and pray like hell you can stop that thing before it hits the water. So IF a 767 could land there, which again I doubt, there would be no possible way for it to ever take off. The strip simply isn’t long enough to get up enough speed for a craft that size to leave the ground before hitting the water.
[–]PassionatePachyderms 2 points  
https://www.facebook.com/PassionatePachyderms/photos/pcb.814364212100663/814363805434037/?type=3&theater To see pictures of the base and the landing strip, cut and paste this into your web browser. The pics are posted on our Facebook page.
[–]BaltBirt 1 point  
Satellite images from Google maps show a roughly 5000' airstrip with taxiway oriented east-west on the western shore of the bay, approximately perpendicular to the older, roughly 3000' airstrip oriented north-south on the eastern shore of the bay. Judging from the tire marks visible at the western end of the airstrip, and from the seeming absence of tire marks on the shorter airstrip, the longer of the two airstrips has seen comparatively much more use recently. There is a parking facility adjacent to the longer of the two airstrips that should be able to receive a dozen or so twin-jet aircraft of commercial aviation size without difficulty. The image on Google maps shows two of them actually parked there. The buildings adjacent to the longer of the two airstrips appear, from the sky, to be of quite recent construction, as does the airstrip itself. This longer airstrip appears to have been laid atop a very much shorter, northeast-to-southwest-oriented airstrip built there long ago.
I'm no expert on GTMO, I'm not military, and I'm not a pilot.
[–]BaltBirt 1 point  
For reader information, the area known as Camp America detention center occupies the far southeast corner of GTMO; the buildings here are densely clustered. To the northwest of the longer of the two airstrips spoken of above, near to the southwest corner of GTMO, are found, along First Street, Second Street, Avenue C, Avenue D and Avenue E, multiple, modern-appearing, isolated structures that conceivably serve for housing things or individuals that GTMO wants to keep separate from other things or individuals. Too, there are some older, tree-shaded, tile-roofed structures that look like bungalows housing camp staff.
In the port area, along the eastern shore of GTMO, are structures and facilities that, seemingly, would serve to adequately house staff numbering from 1000-2000.
Irrespective of the number of persons actually ever detained there, the nominal detention center itself appears large enough, from the air, to hold many hundreds of detainees. The conditions, albeit, do not appear to be luxurious, as the structures are located quite close to one another, and they lack obvious outdoor recreation facilities.
[–]DropGun 2 points  
I am not replying to justify any of our "taking down the cabal" fantasies. YOU were in the military, and I worked for an airline (and rode in the cockpit a few times on cross-country trips), so, both of us have something to offer to this. I think the way you outline your concerns here are 100% valid. The ONLY thing that leads me to consider that a 767 could land at GITMO is that we have some Twitter posts from someone who watched a BLOCKED transponder 763 "climb" out of GITMO.
Now, we both know that, in order to land at Gitmo and make it work with such a short strip, it would take PRECISE flight planning, where the aircraft is landing nearly 90% empty of fuel. Landing very light. POSSIBLE, but, if this OP had been meticulously planned, as Q says, then NO WAY would such equipment have been selected in the first place.
And that is why, when I looked at the last list of aircraft with BLOCKED transponders, all heading to GITMO, we saw that they were private, very LIGHT aircraft, such as a Cessna executive business jet.
It's normal and very common for a barrage of potentially false or misleading information to be reported or submitted for "enthusiast" review during times like this. I would agree with you if you would say that this is unlikely. But, we have evidence of other, more suitable craft heading down that way.
But, your concerns are still VERY valid, and IMPORTANT to bear in mind during this cruicial (and excruciatingly quiet!) time!
Thank you - and any further thoughts/reply welcome and appreciated
[–]PassionatePachyderms 3 points  
Good point. We all know that in today’s world NOTHING is impossible. That said the question is, why would they want or need to spend the considerable time and effort to even try or take the chance that plane wouldn’t make it and could crash into the ocean, EFFECTIVLY stopping all further flights to the strip for weeks or months, when there are so many safer more viable options? It simply doesn’t make and sense. I could maybe contemplate it in some sort of extremely crucial war time situation where there simply was no other alternative, but a declared state of emergency against human trafficking, as important and urgent as that is, getting the criminals involved to GTMO simply would not (in my opinion) rise to that level of extremely crucial, when as you point out, smaller safer planes are a much more viable alternative even if it does take a little more time.
I’m not in any way trying to dump water on Q or the patriots trying to red pill folks, hell I am one of them. I just am 100% certain that putting out wrong or erroneous info will do NOTHING but discredit Q, and us. It’s CRUCIAL that any info we put out there be accurate, factual, and above all NOT dreampt up, invented, twisted, or wishful thinking because that is EXACTLY what we are calling out the MSM for doing. If we put out fake info we become no better, no more reliable than those who are such a huge part of the cabal. As the messenger I’d rather not be shot at, but hey, if relaying the facts and realities of the situation makes me the bad guy but stops us from being seen as discredited by the collective, go ahead fire away, I’m perfectly capable and willing to take the heat.
[–]PassionatePachyderms 2 points  
The sleigh rides as well as the Tuesday and Friday flights are contracted flights, this means the planes and flight crews are in effect “rented” from commercial air lines, however because they are contracted military flights, they are not identified as (for example)”United flight 6784” they are not identified because if one has an issue and goes down, United doesn’t want to be held responsible for a flight the military contracted, and doesn’t want to be associated with it in the event of an accident. This is why you are seeing unidentified flights.
[–]stupidwally 2 points  
My brother is a commercial airline pilot out of Florida who has done all kinds of work in his 30 years as a professional pilot. He has landed at gitmo with supplies when he worked for Ryan Air in the short time after 9/11 when he was furloughed from United. He assured me that a normal gitMo day sees 50 to 80 flights. Let’s not get carried away guys. The reality of this situation is so amazing that making things up is completely unnecessary.
[–]Robfly1611 1 point  
Great post! Does anyone know why so many planes on Flightradar have no Departure or Arrival info? Every time I go on there are a lot of planes that don't show that info. Primarily it's your smaller P/O and Corp. Jet types.
[–]SeekTruthCJoy 0 points  
I understand your points here... Also UNDERSTAND/COMPREHEND: even regular routine flights heading in... can be holding people for incarceration at DeltaCamp. After all--you would not want to draw attention out of ordinary traffic, so Christmas time of extra Sleighs would be perfect cover. QUESTION: Some flights visualized real time movements online had escorts of another plane heading into GTMO... is THAT normal for sleigh ride flights?
Sooo... glad that DT has 156 IQ, in top 3%, high honors grad from Military Academy... makes watching him a marvel to behold!
[–]DiscombobulatedQuad 5 points  
They would not mix routine passengers with prisoners.
[–]GodsAngell 0 points  
I don't know, they might mix Soldiers with inmates. Soldiers know EXACTLY what is going on at GITMO. I'm talking about the larger military flights that come and go from Jacksonville base and Norfolk base.
Bases are safe place for inmates.
[–]JParis313 0 points  
the flights used to transport workers to the states could easily be used to take prisoners back every cycle.
[–]R3dRaider 16 points  
Excellent compilation. Ty Patriot!
[–]michaelst2256[S] 10 points  
Thanks man. Happy New Year.
[–]Long_Range_Shooter 11 points  
I've got a blocked one coming out of Oklahoma City just North of Nassau Bahamas right now.
[–]Long_Range_Shooter 6 points  
It just vanished off Flightradar24 due north of Gitmo.
[–]michaelst2256[S] 2 points  
Update us thanks!
[–]ksched 9 points  
This is great, but we need to see the control data to understand if this is normal traffic or not.
[–]Gmawc 1 point  
Are they always/typically “unknown” or “blocked owner”?
[–]ksched 1 point  
I have no idea.
[–]Mrs_Fonebone 0 points  
Also, the base is 45 square miles and here are actual pilots talking about how it's not a difficult place to land by approach or for short runway reasons:
[–]PassionatePachyderms 1 point  
Roflmao, I have no clue where you are getting your information from, but I can assure you, that base is NOT 45 sq miles. The base has two sides that are separated by Guantanamo Bay. Leeward is where the airstrip is, windward is where everything else is. To get from the airstrip to the Windward side where camp Delta is, you have to take a ferry across the Bay. This is about 3 miles across, but due to the roughness of the water, typically takes 45 minutes to an hour to cross. Perhaps if they are including the Bay and both Leeward and Windward sides you might be able to come up with maybe 25-30 sq miles, (five miles wide x maybe 6 possibly 7 miles long) but I think even that is stretching it. Not sure who those pilots are, but even the seasoned Military pilots HATE flying into GTMO due to the approach and short length of the strip, but I suppose it’s all a matter of opinion.
[–]Mrs_Fonebone 0 points  
LOL, I posted one source and you are delusional if you think 45 square miles means it's one contiguous chunk. Here's the other source: http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/09/world/guantanamo-bay-naval-station-fast-facts/index.html.
I know you are constantly telling everyone that they're wrong about Gitmo and you're the only expert, but I bring facts. And you're arguing against actual pilots! And speaking FOR them.
You're just making yourself look foolish by pretending to be an expert. Why don't you write a book about your amazing in depth special expertise on this place?
[–]PassionatePachyderms 2 points  
If by “expert” you mean someone who has actually experienced everything GTMO has to offer, driven the roads, lived and worked there, knows the topography and layout of the base, knows the rules governing the base, knows the modes of transportation available, how they work and where they go, knows the security of the base, how food and supplies get to the base and at what intervals, has been treated at the base hospital, gone diving in the waters around the base, extensively explored the bay and adjoining waterways by boat, holds a captains license on the base which allows me to navigate those waterways in and around the base by boat including those which are danger zones, knows where the restricted areas are and who is allowed to go to those areas, knows what wild life inhabit the base and where it can be found, and spent five years of their life existing there, as opposed to say, someone who put something on the internet about a place they’ed never been or seen before, or someone who read that link and believes everything posted on the internet is FACT, then yes, you are 100% correct, I am most certainly an “expert” on GTMO.
I am certain there are other “experts” out there, but here on Reddit, with the possible exception of a couple of folks who have been there and validated everything I’ve said, I am the only living breathing patriot “GTMO EXPERT” you’ve got right now.
Rather then arguing with me and trying to prove what I’m telling you is wrong, why not take advantage of the knowledge and be glad I’m trying to stop false information from being reported as fact when it clearly isn’t.
People aren’t prefacing this stuff with, “we believe” or “maybe” or even “possibly”, they aren’t explaining that the info is based upon their attempts to tie hundreds of dangling threads together and make one string even if those threads don’t fit, they are putting it out as FACT when it simply isn’t. AGAIN, isn’t that the very same thing we are all screaming the MSM does? Creating their own facts? Twisting the truth? Insisting dangling threads tie together neatly when they so clearly do not? Making stories they wish were true up and presenting them to the public as factual news?
I pride myself on being brutally honest, and as the founder/leader of a huge (2.5 million +) political action /advocacy group whose information is very often used by Conservative media personalities and outlets because of it’s unquestioned credibility, I know how difficult it is to gain credibility as well as how valuable it is to have. I also know how painfully easy it is to loose.
If we want to succeed in Red pilling America, as a movement our information and credibility must be above reproach, unimpeachable so that people can count on us for accurate information when it is our job to calm and reassure them as Q mentioned it would be early on. If they see now that we are inclined to disseminate false, non fact based guesses, bad information and rumors, how effective will the Q movement/white hats be at calming or reassuring anyone when the time comes?
If you think my pointing out inconsistencies, inaccuracies, erroneous or simply uninformed thought processes and/or conclusions is annoying, frustrating or discouraging, that is unfortunate. But this is not a game folks. If what Q has alluded to does indeed come to pass and we are called upon to do our part, who do you believe people will turn to or look to for accurate honest information and leadership? The ones who they’ve come to know as “brutally honest”, the ones who tell it like it is when they know and are honest about it when they don’t or are guessing, or the ones who consistently presented guesses as fact and we’re wrong or misled them in the past? My goal isn’t to hurt anyone’s little feelings, it is to seek out and find what is true, factual, and correct then separate it from what is guessing, fantasy, deliberately false, or just wrong.
Brainstorming is fantastic! Ideas and possibilities are a crucial beginning to all things, but from where I stand, they must be identified as such. Not presented as fact until they have been effectivly investigated, all alternative explanations are discounted/disproven, supporting evidence has been gathered, authenticated & presented, and they are proven to be correct. Only then should things be presented as factual and backed up with all available supporting documentation, evidence and proof. You may not agree with me, like my way of doing things, or how I respond to posts without being politically correct, and don’t tip toe around sprinkling fairy dust so no ones feelings or sensibilities are offended, that’s fine, you don’t have to like me. Hell I don’t care if you come to hate me, as long as at the same time you’re hating me, you’re confident I will never lie to you, sugar coat the truth or a bad situation, deliberately attempt to mislead you, ask you to do something I wouldn’t do myself, or lead you into dangerous places if an alternative option exists.
[–]BellaHalsey 2 points  
Thank you for your insight and candor. People so desperately want to believe that truth and discernment have never been more crucial.
[–]Mrs_Fonebone 1 point  
You have some problems. Many many claims without any support, and these claims consistently being false by people who find the EVIDENCE. You're fake news know-it-all. So babble away--I'm blocking you.
[–]BellaHalsey 2 points  
Claims without support? Having actually been to GTMO myself (though not stationed there as Pachy) and having a 30 year career in aviation (22 of that in the Navy) EVERY SINGLE THING he has posted with regard to GTMO (with which he has been quite detailed) and it’s air ops, security and undeniable challenges, are 100% accurate. Most everything else I’ve seen posted, has been conjecture, some reasonable and worthy of consideration and others actually laughable for those who have any experience there (but understandable given how much is not really known about GTMO). You have NO VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE. If prisoner transports are happening you’re not going to be able observe it with anything more than speculation and wishful thinking. It’s unlikely these flights will be hidden or concealed entirely but without a passenger manifesto from each flight and those of the multiple flights of origin(s) (which aren’t going to be accessible) and prisoner logs (also not accessible but what they may choose to share) to verify, it’s all guesswork. I want the swamp creatures locked up down there as much as anyone and for Q to be more than a psyop and busy work for autists (and the susceptible), but to allow that hope and excitement to usurp all sound reason and attack informed knowledge and candor shared for authenticity and accuracy (to prevent the spread of more fake news) is madness. Disinformation is real and this isn’t the Admirals’ and Gernerals’ first rodeo with all things need-to-know and National Security. Passing wishful thinking as fact (because you sincerely want it to be true) and attacking anything that questions it with actual knowledge and truth is the very definition of fake news. You’re welcome to pick and choose what you believe but if you’re spreading half-baked guesswork as fact you’re no better than every other purveyor of fake news. And that discredits any legitimacy to the work we are all trying to accomplish here. Consider you may be wrong. I hope that I am wrong in this regard and welcome the correction when and if it happens but until then I verify everything and let facts lead me.
[–]PassionatePachyderms 2 points  
Thanks for the back up Bella!
[–]Mrs_Fonebone 1 point  
Nice try hard but fail, your style is unmistakable. I can keep blocking you as soon as I see that magical wall of text appear. I didn't read it of course. You are not going to Gitmo attention from me. Bye Stalker!
[–]BellaHalsey 2 points  
You’re insane. Be well.
[–]Long_Range_Shooter 9 points  
Yesterday I watch three Blocked flights land at Boca Raton Fl. After seeing all the flights leaving Fort Lauderdale for Gitmo it makes sense. Boca is a very small airport that you could bring in planes with little to no public attention. Ft. Lauderdale is only a 20 mile drive south.
[–]Mrs_Fonebone 2 points  
And Mar-a-Lago is about 25 miles north--family/friends of Trump?
[–]michaelst2256[S] 1 point  
Thanks for the info.
[–]Long_Range_Shooter 2 points  
FYI I started watching around 5:00 the first two landed at Boca at 5:30-5:45 and the third one came in a little after 7:00 pm.
[–]Sea127 8 points  
Everyone needs to watch this video with Liz Crokin and others in the know about the flights. Different perspective about why they are traveling at such a low altitude and the lack of the flight records showing no info on who own the planes is not normal. https://youtu.be/3AQ5IJ_exb0
[–]LeoLinus 5 points  
No Pizza or Hot Dogs on the menu for this Gitmo beach party. LOTS of Justice will be served up. And the world will be able to watch via live streams.
[–]Long_Range_Shooter 7 points  
Got a Blocked runner hugging the coast 36K ft, 485Knts coming up on Cocoa Beach. He's out of Savanna Ga.
He's dropping altitude any bets that he lands a Boca Raton? I had three blocked planes yesterday that landed there.
Just made a left over Jupiter. heading wws.
Now south bound passing West Palm beach coming up on Fl Rt 98.
Definitely coming into Boca from the west. 4800 Ft 264 Knts.
One Blocked landing at Boca OK, Two Blocked, Wait a minute, Three something is happening, Fourth Blocked plane landing at Boca Raton definitely this is where they're bringing them in before their flight to GITMO.
[–]michaelst2256[S] 1 point  
Thanks update us
[–]turbosympathique 11 points  
Wow I had no idea that now Guantanamo was such a popular vacation resort ;)
[–]PassionatePachyderms 3 points  
It’s actually REALLY beautiful there, a tropical paradise! Clear warm water year round, great diving, deep sea fishing, never rains, weather is always perfect, zero crime, drugs, violence (except the occasional bar fight which is really quite rare all things considered) the schools are good, you don’t have to lock your doors at night, and everyone knows everyone else. I raised my two daughter there and they loved it! Of all the places we lived, (18 moves in 21 years) they remember and talk about GTMO the most.
[–]MotoandGivi 6 points  
The Democrats love it.
[–]TheObelisk 6 points  
Demoncrats.
[–]duckdownup 2 points  
And on the government dime. Can't beat that deal!
[–]MotoandGivi 4 points  
[–]MotoandGivi 9 points  
850th Military Police Battalion deploying to Guantanamo today, could be that.
[–]michaelst2256[S] 1 point  
Thanks. Happy New Year!
[–]Wildthing61 5 points  
Okay, I'll bite since no one else did. How about that flight from Romania Int'l? Any explanation on that one?
[–]ontothefuture 2 points  
Yes, that one because it's from the Dominican Republic.
One other suspect is on the 21st because it's the only one from Ft. Lauderdale Executive and the only night flight, it flew in at 6:20pm and left at 9pm.
[–]Go_mizzou 3 points  
I look at this spreadsheet thinking: Why not pull up 3-4 months of activity at the MUGM airport so we can tell if this is unusual or not? I am sure there are deliveries of food, visitors, equipment, miscellaneous supplies, that come and go from this base as any other small base. Still not sure if this GITMO activity is anything unusual. Not enough good evidence. I have been monitoring air flights and I have not seen anything land there that is from Canada. I know for a fact Canadians love the Caribbean and Belize, where I see these Canadian planes flying into.
[–]PassionatePachyderms 2 points  
Food and base supplies do not come in to GTMO by plane. They arrive via barges approximately every 10 days to 2 weeks.
[–]michaelst2256[S] 3 points  
Mattis goes there. Military police sent there. It’s real man don’t fight it.
[–]BetsyRoss18 4 points  
In response to @PassionatePachyderms:
I just viewed a video by Liz Crokin. The planes going to Guantanamo Bay were discussed. From what I heard this would not be a time when many military personnel would be taking sleigh rides to visit family members. Not to mention the numerous unusual happenings like the addition of 1,000 more military servicemen. Here are a few points mentioned about the planes flying to Gitmo:
-All flying at 40,000 feet (this is a dangerous altitude but tradeoff is you can go a good deal faster) -These planes were followed by escorts -Responders were going on and off -Then dozens of flights from all over the world were converging at Guantanamo on December 28th.
[–]PassionatePachyderms 3 points  
Sorry to burst yours and Liz’s bubbles, but if the first group of sleigh rides departed GTMO on Dec 18th which it appears the in fact did, they would return on DEC. 28. Christmas leave periods go in two 10 day intervals. When the planes land dropping off the first group on 12/28 they would then pick up the second group at the same time on the 28th. Yes sleigh rides do in fact run at this time, and this is exactly how they operate. Having actually lived on the base for the last 5 years of my 21 year Navy career, I believe I know just a tad bit more about how these things work in GTMO than Liz Crokin does.
Further, for arguments sake, let’s examin The Whole 1000 extra troops notion, (I call it a notion because no one has any factual actual proof that I’ve seen these troops have mobilized and been sent to GTMO) that said, currently there are fewer than 20 terrorists detained at camp Delta in GTMO. (thanks to Obama letting them all go in his efforts to close down the base over his 8 year term. JERK! But I digress) At the highest point, there were 311 detainees. Even when there were 311 of the worlds most hardened terrorists and most dangerous individuals detained there, there was no need to have 1,000 more troops than are currently stationed on the base, therefore, why in God’s name would there be a need for 1,000 extra troops there now, Even if they indeed did have 30 or 40 members of the cabal locked up there? They only have so many spaces available there, and the base is quite small so it’s very unlikely they’ed EVER have any more prisoners then the 311 number at its peak capacity. I realize many people want to believe that people are being arrested and brought to GTMO, I too would LOVE that to be the case, however, wanting it to be happening, and it in fact actually happening are two very different things, and because we have zero proof or confirmation that it is indeed happening coupled with the fact that there are other perfectly reasonable explanation for the increased air traffic coming and going to GTMO as I’ve explained, I believe we do everyone a huge disservice by disseminating wishful thinking as fact, especially when no one has anything more than hearsay at this point to back that wishful thinking up with.
I hate to burst so many peoples bubbles, but having spent 21 years of my life in the military, the last five of those stationed at GTMO, I understand the ramifications and dangers of assuming hearsay is factual information. Let’s all use a lot more caution in engaging in the activity of sharing/spreading non factual unprovable information because if/when it all proves to be false, anyone who shared, spread, or claimed it was true will loose all credibility, and likely will be to blame for the entire QAnon movement being dubbed discredited, unreliable, and labeled conspiracy theorists (in a bad way). This will only hurt us, it will not help. Again, someone telling someone else something is happening doesn’t make it fact. That is hearsay.
Seeing actual sets of military orders, speaking to commanding officers of the troops or base, actually seeing troops off loading on the landing strip at GTMO, speaking to someone on the ground there who is willing to verify the information, or having Trump come right out and tell us what is going on is factual intelligence. Talking to a guy who knows a guy who talked to a girl whose boyfriend told her it was happening, is hearsay, and not factual intelligence. There is a HUGE difference between the two.
[–]loyalfringe 3 points  
You're making some excellent points, Pachy, but it seems no one is listening - lol. If you are being honest about your background at GITMO, then your explanation seems very plausible to me.
[–]Lambin8tor 3 points  
I'm listening. I'm sure plenty of others are listening too.
[–]Mrs_Fonebone 2 points  
Yes, I saw that too!
[–]GodsAngell 3 points  
I copied the above and put into an Excel spreadsheet to analyze. Found some unusual items. I don't see how to post an excel or pdf here, so I will just try to describe it to you.
I found the puddle jumper flights that dropped off and picked up and was only on the ground for about a half hour or 45 minutes.
However if you notice there were a few flights that Departed from Ft. Lauderdale EXECUTIVE airport, not the International airport, all small planes either Learjet 35 (6 passengers) or LJ45 (8 passengers). The first flight was on 12/21, when Mattis was supposed to be there. That particular flight was on the ground for 1.27 hours, and when it left, it did NOT go back to Ft Laud Exec airport, it flew directly to Dulles: Tail No. BLK4. I'm guessing that was Gen'l Mattis.
THE SAME DAY, 12/21/2017, but long after Mattis left (at 12:30pm), ANOTHER Flight left from Ft Lauderdale EXECUTIVE airport, arriving at GITMO 18:20 (6:20pm). That plane (BLK5, Learjet 35, only carries 6 passengers) was on the ground at GITMO for 2 hours and 43 minutes. WHO WAS ON THIS FLIGHT from the private Executive airport? High profile inmates being brought to GITMO?
The same day, 12/21, there is a normal puddle jumper flight in and out of Ft Lauderdale Int'l airport (E145 seats 54 passengers).
The next day, 12/22/2017, we KNOW AG Jeff Sessions and his assistant visited GITMO. I think I found his flight (tail#ATN301) departing from Norfolk, VA, was on the ground at GITMO for 3.5 hrs, then flew back to Norfolk. LONG TIME TO BE ON THE GROUND AT GITMO, but this was a Boeing 763, which seats 180 passengers. So probably some troops and I am assuming that Jeff Sessions was on that plane.....and whomever was with him (inmates?, Troops?)
SAME DAY 12/22/2017, another flight on the ground a long time, departed from Jacksonville to GITMO, on the ground for 2.5 hours, then plane returns to Jacksonville (Tail# BSK293, a Boeing 738 which can seat 220 passengers ). This must be a "Christmas Sleigh" flight, although they were on the ground a pretty long time at GITMO for 2.5 hours. Its only a 2 hour flight between JAX and GITMO, so the crew didn't need a break. So troops and processing inmates? Or just troops?
Anyone know if these long layover times are normal for these Christmas Sleighs to/from Norfolk and JAX?
Then on Dec 26, (Tail# BLK4, a Learjet 35, seats 6 passengers) another flight comes and goes to GITMO from Ft Lauderdale EXECUTIVE airport. High profile inmates? The "bushes", maybe??
The same day, 12/26 there is a normal puddle jumper flight in and out of Ft Lauderdale Int'l airport (Learjet 45 seats 10).
SO...WHOSE ON THESE LEARJET 35s that fly in and out of Ft. Lauderdale EXECUTIVE airport, on small planes that only seat 6 people? Why can't they use the normal puddle jumper the same day from the Int'l Airport? Is it because they are "high profile" INMATES that they don't want them to be seen by the public???
If they aren't High Profile INMATES, then who are on these planes?
I also posted separately today, on this website, that AZ National Guard is sending troops to GITMO for a 9 month STAY. Prison Population going up at GITMO? The Marines need help with their psychopathic inmates?
Well we can HOPE.
[–]TibetanSkyFuneral 3 points  
I don't see the Canadian flights listed. Hush hush
[–]Reba64 3 points  
I agree with what most of what has been said, but I also believe, very few military are taking leave at this point at GITMO.
[–]swimrobin 2 points  
I was thinking about this earlier. Yes, it is the holidays, but we have been under a declared state of emergency since December 21st, I think? It seems like the military would make an exception to the holiday travel policy under these conditions, with the imminent arrival of these prisoners.
[–]Boysrback07 3 points  
What if they are using this normal CHRISTMAS leave as cover to bring in the CRIMINALS me thinks the latter. 4D chess these people are STUPID!!
[–]WellstonDeplorable 1 point  
I believe you are correct.
[–]bugstopper 6 points  
@7 inbound flights an hour.
[–]PassionatePachyderms 3 points  
I don’t think you’re Seeing 7 inbound flights in an hour. With GTMO that simply isn’t possible as there is nowhere for them to go. What you are seeing is flights in, immediately followed by flights out. If you closely examine the list, you’ll see all are even numbers which tells you the flight came in (one listing) and the flight left shortly there after, (listing 2). No flights stay at GTMO, they can’t there is no room to park them.
[–]MrGreggle 7 points  
How many landings per day/week or whatever is normal?
[–]michaelst2256[S] 2 points  
Not that many for sure. That’s why Mattis went there afew days ago.
[–]Mrs_Fonebone 1 point  
We simply don't know how many.
[–]VTUK 2 points  
Theres a plan with no call sign being escorted right now at 39,000ft https://www.flightradar24.com/ffa8239https://www.flightradar24.com/PDT4949/ffa81df
[–]VTUK 2 points  
Theres also two C560's flying at 39,500 ft with no info together heading towards Long Island right nowhttps://www.flightradar24.com/C560/ffa43a1
[–]Lucas-Tex 2 points  
I'm thinking if the military doesn't want us, Joe Public, to see their flights on a public flight tracking program, then we aren't going to see them.
But, maybe it's not that big a deal to them? I dunno.
Flightradar24 sure can be addictive. I got hooked on it after the Las Vegas shooting. Some of the flight paths and when/where helicopters were during the attack was very interesting.
Keep up the good work guys!
[–]carl_tech 2 points  
But, maybe it's not that big a deal to them? I dunno.
Hiding in plane sight.
[–]rage_of_reason 2 points  
[–]PurpleMuse56 1 point  
Could many of these be from National Guard being deployed there?
[–]Izaskun767 1 point  
Those are 6 different A/C making multiple trips/turns. Three of which are bigger... however, they are arriving and departing shortly after.
E145 B752= 757-200 LJ45 B738=737-800 LJ35 B763 =767-300
[–]UnbelievableShit13 1 point  
the B763 left this morning out of Gitmo followed by ATN 301 out of Norfolk landing there about 2hrs. later ......
[–]Izaskun767 2 points  
Both planes are ATN - Air Transport International- cargo
[–]MotoandGivi 1 point  
You didn't link the thread.
[–]Pissed_Audie_Murphy 1 point  
If they took the time to hide the flight identification numbers, why would they record the special flights with the prisoners we hope are on the flights?
[–]Winston1008 1 point  
Trump asked, 'whatever happened to the Podesta's ' on his twitter.
[–]1Juliemom1 1 point  
Has anyone considered taking a Space A flight to Gitmo? It may be more restricted but it’s worth a try. I would but I gotta work. Can’t get away. It would be awesome to have boots on the ground.
[–]PassionatePachyderms 2 points  
Unless you are military, a military defendant who lives on the base, a contractor, or contractor dependent, know someone willing to sponsor you, or are retired military, you won’t be allowed on a flight there. You have to have appropriate paper work which is checked before you take off, and again when you land. Security is tighter there and far more restrictive than any other base i’ve Ever been on. The chances of anyone not in one of those categories getting on a flight to the base are quite literally ZERO. Sorry, there are no “space A” flights for civilians.
[–]1Juliemom1 2 points  
I don’t know Gitmo rules but they do have Space A flights and a passenger terminal. I fly retired Space A. Are you saying that retired can go there without all the other rules?
[–]PassionatePachyderms 1 point  
Re-read my post my friend, I did include retired military in my list.
[–]1Juliemom1 2 points  
I’m not trying to be difficult but are you saying that retired can fly in without the other restrictions?
[–]PassionatePachyderms 1 point  
No. I am saying that providing you indeed are retired military and have contacted and received clearance and approval from the base commander (who will then issue you the required appropriate paperwork and authorization to fly to the base, ) you could theoretically fly space A to GTMO. Just a guess though, I suspect if indeed there is something big going on there, it could be difficult to get command approval. Again that’s just a guess on my part.
[–]1Juliemom1 1 point  
Ok. Thanks.
[–]ncsuperdad 1 point  
Why did Sessions go to Gitmo on 12/22? He is DOJ not military.
[–]fbilegend 1 point  
Most flights are from Ft Lauderdale which is a regular route. Its also the holidays. This is nothing.http://ejc.net/magazine/article/reporting-from-gitmo-getting-in-and-going-beyond-the-itinerary#.WkfkbN-nHIU
[–]jonzee65 1 point  
I wonder how many ships/boats have arrived at that luscious Caribbean resort?
[–]LeoLinus 1 point  
Thanks for this Patriot OP!!
[–]michaelst2256[S] 0 points  
Welcome. Happy New Year Patriot!
[–]Quest4answ 1 point  
I got a call for a free vacation just yesterday. Glad I could just say no.
[–]DeemanThak 0 points  
The analysis is excellent!
If I had posted this I would have put comparison data for 3 years of the same dates and would have added an expansive window to show a short window of "normal" traffic in the last 3 months.
All of that said, the analysis may make the expansive "look" moot.
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